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i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. . that's it for us thank for watching. time to hand thing over to don lemon. cnn tonight starts right now. president trump threatens fire and fiery to north korea and draw a headline but what happened next? north korea has produced a nuclear warhead that could fit on a missile. >> they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> that he says will be the response to further threats from
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the regime. tonight north korea warns of a missile strike on guam. will this become a crises? the white house already faces another crisis of confidence. half of america in a poll for the counter tles say they disapprove of donald trump's handling of north korea. 37% say they approve. j jordan clan joins us and general wesley clark. gentlemen, good evening to you. jim, i'll start with you on this one because the president is threatening north korea with fire and fury, those are his words as north korea advances their nuclear program. here's the program. >> let's not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and
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fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> it's an extraordinary ultimaulta mate tum jim. what do you make of that? >> that's exactly right. that's threats against guam, alarming, u.s. territory. also a very specific threat, north korea specifying the kinds of missiles it might use to target guam, including intermediate ballistic missiles. that followed as you mentioned, don, yes, siterday, boomers flur
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the north korean peninsula on guam. it appeared it related directly to the u.s. overflights, which happens frequently. the fact that that north korean threat followed just a couple of hours, the president saying that if north korea were to make threats, the u.s. would respond with fire and with fury, it's not clear that they were connected but the threat did follow the president making that statement. and it highlights, i've heard from a number of folks in the national security committee in the last several hours, that threats like that from a u.s. president, the danger is, you make a threat like that it's something -- you have a danger if you don't follow through on that threat. then it raises credibility about the exercise u.s. power beyond -- beyond just the bombasticness of the president's words there talking about fire and fury that the world has never seen before. seemingly a reference to nuclear war. >> jim we're getting if you
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information in here, i just want to get it in. i'm just reading it just now so bear with me. here's what it says. it says urgent, this is from cnn reporting, north korean threaten retaliatory operations of justice. north koreans military stands ready to retaliate at the earl yes, sir u.s. attempt to carry out a beheading operation against its leadership according to a statement from the korean's people army run state am on wednesday. it was issued by the spokesman from the army's general staff, dated tuesday. recent military activity anticipating involvement on the korean peninsula and accusing the united states in indulging in war hysteria without directions. the military went on to say it will turn the u.s. mainland into a theater of nuclear war if it were to detect a sign of a u.s. attack. again, this is just coming in. what do you say to that?
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>> well, listen it takes away any doubt that's a response to the president's comments. if that's dated wednesday, the -- >> it's dated tuesday. >> it appears to be a response to the president's rhetoric, so there you have it. the president says if north korea makes any more threats the u.s. will respond with fire and fury. so it remains to see what follows. this is a concern of course about escalation. at this point it's an escalation in words but it's an escalation in words that specify particular military actions. what is north korea saying be thereby a quote/unquote be heading operation? it is known that has the military operation is a quote/unquote beheading operation as a missile strike or deforcing operation to take out the leadership there. so, north korea referencing what it knows to be a military option for the u.s. and it shows a
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danger of escalation that could lead to aky nettic escalation. that's the real concern here. >> when you heard what i just read general clark, what do you think preimmaterial torre or retaliatory of justice? that's what north korea's threatening. what do you think? >> i think what jim said is absolutely right. you can't be engaging in school board rhetoric with north korea, this is absorbed. we have a strong military, the informs could be on deterrence. war could start by accident in the korean peninsula, and it's more likely when you have this type of else clatory rhetoric from the united states, i'm sorry to say, there's no reason for him to say that or engage in that kind of rhetoric. nobody believes that the united states is going to actually launch a preimptive attack against north korea because the military options really aren't
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appealing. that i have been discussed ad nauseam. what they have opened is general warfa warfare on north korea. so don't engage in that kind of rhetoric. use diplomacy, stabilize, stop threatening. use china, russia, sergey of state tillerson tried to move down this path but it's been blocked by the rhetoric. the united states has to understand what its objective is. we're not going to roll back the new york car program that are not going to give that away. >> there's so much he said, you know the secretary of state tillerson said but there have been mixed messages coming out of white house on tillerson saying one thing, the president saying another thing. have we been focused enough on deterrence, how do we get to this point? >> there is a lack of discipline
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in the administration because you do have messages all over the place -- >> we'll meet with them we won't meet with them. we're tired of talking. yeah. >> that's a problem, especially whether you have a national security adviser talking about a preventive war which is more aggressive. the point right now is that deter rens is breaking down. i think that trump's statement -- i wouldn't have use the language -- but he does need to reenforce the message of deterrence. because when the north koreans feel comfortable in their arsenal they will use it to try to blackmail the united states to break the alliance with south korea, get our troops off the peninsula and then destroy the southern yan state because that's at the core of the legitamacy of the north korean regime. that's why we're at such a dangerous point. then of course, you add the language from the president, that sort of makes things a little more volatile.
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>> so where do you put this now? north korea's ready to retaliate at the earliest implication of the u.s. attempt, to behead the leadership. what do you make on that? >> august is a big month for south korea/u.s. exercises on the peninsula, north korea hates them. i think what the north koreans might have been referred to, and it could have been a number of things but one of them is these upcomes exercises which they view as part of the prelude to war. that's why you're starting to get much of this rhetoric out of north korea over the last week or so. they're anticipating these exercises. >> is there an imminent threat to the united states right now, jim. or is that all stable rallying? >> look at what we learned yesterday from the u.s. access -- putting a nuclear
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device on top of a missile. we learned today, cnn, "the washington post" first reported that the u.s. intelligence committee accessed that north korea is manufacturing making and producing weapons to be put on top of warheads. it's not a consensus view yet in the u.s. intelligence communities. two, it's not believed the capable is yet tested or deployed but it's another step ploong the way of doing actually that. we know they have a perceived capability to reach the continental u.s., u.s. cities here, but much closer to them is guam. and guam, while it's not one of the 50 states, is a u.s. territory. not to mention our allies in south korea and japan. yes, north korea is a very real threat whether it's a modern nuclear threat with the ability to project that power thousands of miles away, not entirely clear but i'll tell you this.
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the u.s. military and gordan and general know better than me, the u.s. military treats this as something they have to assume to be a north korean capability and makes preparations as such. >> do you agree, general, again with what jim said? this is a direct response to the president's, fire and fury, never seen before, do you think this is a response from north korea? >> yes. >> you do? so where are we at this point then? >> i think you're at the point where the president's not going to say anything else and we're going to have to work this thing through. china and directly with diplomacy. what we have to do is stabilize the korean peninsula. and with this kind of rhetoric it looks unstable and that's very dangerous. >> can you go back though general, after fire and fury, can you go back to trying to negotiate or de-escalate the situation -- >> of course you can.
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sure you can. just got to make the right approaches. we're not going to abandon our south korean allies. we can take the right military measures to strengthen them and give them more capacity, we should be doing that. but we don't need the rhetoric to go with it. >> thank you gentlemen i appreciate it. when we come back, how will world leaders react to the escalating threats between the u.s. and north korea. that's next. ♪ [vo] progress is seizing the moment. your summer moment awaits you now that the summer of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the summer
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about north korea and the u.s. tonight. i want to talk about this with fareed fareed sa ka ya. just before we wen on the air we got the statement. i want to read parts of it and get your response. the military stands ready to retaliate in an attempt to carry out what north korea calls a beheading operation in this leadership. that comes stemming from the korean people's army accomplish state run kena on wednesday. the statement goes on to say that the military will turn the u.s. mainland into a theater of nuclear war if it were to detect a sign of a u.s. attack. >> strong words. this is a regime that has been around for 75 years. there was passed the regime on from father, to son to grandson. that i have outlasted the soviet union, all the dictatorships.
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they know regime's survival. one of the things i think that i have realized is you have to make clear that are really to go all out, that you are willing -- the stakes are as high as they could be and particularly what this seems to me to be aimed at is what they're fear is, that there is a increasing size -- there's a u.s./chinese plan to decapitate the regime. chinese don't want all the revi review jus and what the -- so the chinese are paranoid about that. what if you can decapitate, can rid of kim and the leadership and have it replaced with a more pliable dictatorship where you cut a deal on nuclear weapons.
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what they're saying is that is not on. if you try to go after this regime in any way, try to separate the kim family from the regime we will go all out. so it's one more sign that this is a regime, while we think of it is crazy a rationally pursuing its core obvious which is the survival of the regime. >> i want to play for our viewers what the president said. he said this after he learned north korea has produced a nuclear warhead. here's president trump's reaction. listen. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this
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world has never seen before. >> so two questions. is that a red line? >> yes. that's a red line that worries me. >> is that the danger of when you get a statement like this of that kind of rhetoric of fire and fury that you're going to get something equally as rhetorical from them? >> certainly there's no question you'd get something back from them like that. the kind of rhetoric donald trump use is the kind of rhetoric the north koreans use. it's not the kind of rhetoric the united states use. we are careful. we will not, let me confidently say, respond to north korea with fire and fury, the kind of which the world has never seen before. i don't know if donald trump remembers but we dropped two
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atomic bombs in japan. we one through a bombing campaign in china, the likes of which no one as seen during world war two, none of that is going to happen. this is everyonety rhetoric that is not be followed by words. and it's dangerous -- >> not followed by words or actions? >> by deeds. it's dangerous, mccain pointed out when you threaten something be sure to have the capacity and strategy to carry it out. the kind of everyonety brag doeshs, we're use to that with the north koreans but the united states is held to a different standard. need odor roosevelt once said the key to foreign policy was speak softly and carry a big stick. i feel as though donald trump is need odor roosevelt in reverse. he's brand ishing this enormous
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stick and he's not going to use it. >> we heard donald trump today. let's listen to him back in 1999. watch this. >> what is north korea, and you're saying that you as president would be willing to launch a preimptive strike against north korea's nuclear capability? >> first i'd new yorker like crazy and make sure we try to get the best deal possible. the biggest problem this world has is nuclear -- and we have a country out there in north korea which is sort of wakko, which is not a bunch of dummies and they're going out and developing nuclear weapons. they're not doing it because they're having fun doing it, they're doing it for a reason. wouldn't it be good to sit down and new yorkgotiate something? if that doesn't work you ber solve it now rather than later and you know it. jimmy carter who i really like, he wen over there, it was so
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soft, these people are laughing ate us. >> the former general of the air force says you could not launch strike against north korea because the nuclear fall out could be devastating to the asian peninsula. >> i'm not talking about us news k nuclear weapons i'm saying they have areas where their developing missiles. >> -- >> do you know that this country wen out and gave them nuclear reactors, free fuel for ten years. we tried to bribe them into stopping and they'reing in doing what they're doing and they're laughing at us. i'm saying we have to do something to stop. >> but the military told you, mr. trump you can't do this. >> you're giving me two names i don't know. up to do it in five years one they have warheads all over the place? is that what you want to do it? >> interesting. what was your thoughts? >> i think donald trump was
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cleaver. he's saying they're not doing this for no reason, let's try to new yorker with th-- negotiate them. one thing north korea is -- the united states has made it clear that it would like to wipe north korea off the face of the earth. the only ally they have in the world, china is now essentially siding with the united states, voting theagainst them in u.n. sanctions. frg about being crazy, suppose you wanted to survive, what's the one thing that protects you? nuclear weapons. the one insurance policy you can buy, nuclear weapons. they've acquired those nuclear weapons. so the question we don't want to ask as a question is is there any circumstance in which you could offer the north koreans assurances of secure so they don't need the nuclear weapons. they're buying insurance because they're sure that everyone want
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to destroy them. by threatening them more you're only getting them to buy more insurance. is there some other path, and that was a path that donald trump was suggesting and thang remarkably -- >> he was very clear then. >> right. and now what you hear is a series of slogans, often -- >> word salad. >> exactly. >> thank you fareed zakaria. don't meed fareed zakaria at 1:00 a.m. donald trump threatening north korea with fire and fury and why members are worried about the president's hash language.
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president trump facing criticism from both members of both parties tonight after his stern warning to north korea that it will face fire and fury if it keeps threatening the u.s. mali ka henderson here, phillip mud and jack kingston. good evening to all of you, thank you so much for coming on. it's an interesting nightnize wise at least. nia i want to get to you first. we'll talk about how the president has a credibility crises but now he's dealing being another dangerous crisis.
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north korea. how can he handle this without credibility? >> yeah, that's been a big topic of discussion from the beginning of his presidency. this idea of him flittering away his credibility tweet after tweet, tweeting untruths or trafficking in conspiracy theories, what would all of that mean if this country was faced with a big crises, and that's where we are now. i think at some point the president has to display some sort of competency in dealing being this. maybe if he displays some kind of confidence, if he gets result of of this maybe he can get some of that credible back. i think, you know, obviously it's a question for world leaders. i imagine people around him are having to do clean-up duty after these comments he made. some seem to be off the cuff, seem seem to be scripted, i don't think we know, there's no reporting of where these comments came from. he's got some work to do in
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terms of gaining that credibility and we'll see what the next steps are and what kind of statements come out of the white house. >> david you raise an interesting question that goes back to the campaign and was coined by one of our very own here about taking the president seriously or literally, right. the president threatened today that north korea will meet fire and few rick like the world has never seen. then you tweeted this, north korea has to decide whether to take donald trump literally or seriously. the question back then was well, maybe the american people has to do it or see it that way. but how does the other world leaders take it? is this a test to see how the world interprets this president? >> it's the most momentous test in how the world leaders have faced it. in my state of canada it's how
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it's been faced on the conflict there. now we have pyongyang trying to interpret the behavior, words and intentions of president who is i ir rattic and whose real aims are often not known even to the people within his administration. and so this is a real real high wire act that trump is teaming to pull off here. >> so what is this? is this a literal or serious moment daniel? the president's comments today about north korea are alarming because he uses the words like, never seen? >> yeah i'm not kim jong-un. i'd say this was a serious moment if i was trying to interpret trump here rather than literal. how trump frequently uses the phrase that today became a threat of nuclear war, he links saying, like the world has never
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seen. he's saying i created the world's -- coin prices have gone up so food prices are going to go up like the world never seen. so trump was just talking like trump talks. it ended up coming out like a threat of nuclear war. we don't know for sure and i certainly don't. >> phillip mud i see you with a smile. so i'll play this and let you respond. >> grassroots museum, the likes of which the world has never seen before. we're all part of this very historic museum, a movement of likes the which -- actually the world has never seen before. unemployment is the lowest it's been in 17 years, business enthusiasm is the highest we've ever seen. we're been very very strong on our southern border andside say the likes of which the country
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has never seen. >> so phillip that last one was about opioid addicts. do you think the president has elevated this threat because of his love of particular cast phrase? >> i think he's making a confusing decision. when you listen to what we heard don, you hear him talking to a domestic audience. he understands that audience and urns stood it better than we did before the election. in the billiointelligence busin use a phrase for this, it's called mirror imaging. if you threaten a north korean leader you make a judgment they'd view that threat the same you you'd view that. the problem the president is making a fundamental foreign policy in decision making g is he cannot understand how kim jong-un views that threat.
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does he view it as a threat or an indication with for example military exercises or military deaccomplishments that means the president is serious about toppling the north koreans regime. if the president did you know stop this he risk the north korean interpreting what he's saying in a way the american audience would not misinterpret the president. very different audits yenss. >> congressman, do you think donald trump is aware of the consequences of his comments there? >> absolutely. and i'd actually agree with phillip but i would expand it to say his audience wouldn't just kim jong-un, it was china, the european union, it was nato and our allies across the globe. what he was saying is this is an extremely dangerous situation, this is what his cabinet members have been saying as well, and we need a worldwide solution here,
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we need a coalition. these sanctions have to be followed. we need to cut off north korea and isolate this regime so we can deal with it because we are in the 11th hour in the 59th minute here. if you go back 20 or 30 years, every president has had to deal with this family, the kim family really since the korean war. so, but now they have the weapons, they've always had the insanity and so i think the president is really raising the takes here but he's done it dlibltly. he doesn't want the united states to do this alone. >> phil why are you shaking your head? that >> that's not what the president said. the president threatened a foreign leader and we don't understand how the foreign leader are to interpret that threat. if the president says this is a dangerous situation and we need more reaction from the clooinz i
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can understand that. let's be clear about facts that's not what he said. >> that is what he said. you can speak to the world and direct it to the north korean regime. what you said i agree with, you don't know how he's going to react but he does have a little bit more faith in our tradition fall allies and traditional adversary. so he is speaking to him and he'd love to see china get off his stuff. >> what's your interpretation of fire and fury? >> i am not certain. but let me say this, and i know i'd said on the defense committee and many classified briefings. and you walk out of these hearings and so, oh my gosh i can't believe the world is on a brink of a brng. and i think the presidents have been seeing some of these briefings and he's saying, we
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have got to move krsh deficie-- >> do you raise that on a world state or inside the committee? >> well, when you think about having 35,000 more than troops in the korean peninsula, you have millions of south koreans, you got japan, maybe you have guam with americans, i'm you just don't know where this guy's going to go. and i'm saying he is saying this could be a four-bell alarm here, what ever the saying is. i think he's being rial serious -- >> you don't think there should be more precision in the president's words? i don't see any other way you can interpret fire and fury. does anybody else in the panel see another way to interpret fire and fury when you're talking about a warhead and you're talking about the possible of war? does anybody else see something else? >> i think fire and fury in itself could have been a conventional military strike of
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some sort. i think what elevated it to the nuclear level was the like the world had never seen. >> stick with me everyone. when we come back a credibility's of the president's words goes way back. that's next. this lovely lady has a typical airline credit card. so she only earns double miles on purchases she makes from that airline. what'd you earn double miles on, please? ugh. that's unfortunate. there's a better option. the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, everywhere, every day. not just airline purchases. seems like a no-brainer. what's in your wallet?
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approve, but a fill 50% say they disapprove. and when i asked if they prus most of what they hear from the white house, only 24% say yes, but a whopping 73% say no. donald trump definitely keeping fact checkers busy because as president he says matters as soon as he says it. but speaking the actual truth was not always part of doing business. cnn's chief political analyst take a look. >> reporter: donald trump and the truth, a relationship that's troubled. from phone calls that never happened -- >> even the president of mexico called me. >> reporte >> the conversations took place just not over a phone call. >> reporter: to the size of his victory. >> i guest it was the biggest electoral college win since ronald reagan. >> george wind-chill factor bush
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426 when he won as president. >> reporter: to the claim of when he is voted in 2016. >> i've seen no evidence to that effect. >> reporter: trump's unique take on accuracy goes back. >> he -- looking for a -- in trump tower. >> and that didn't happen? >> no but it made the papers. >> sure. so voracity wouldn't a par of it it was getting the buzz out there -- yes. >> did you guys laugh at it or? >> yeah, it was nothing so terrible about it. it was kind of like puffing, exaggerating. >> seems sometimes like that's not the case. >> reporter: tony schwartz invented a name for trump's strategy. >> i came up with this phrase
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truthful hyperbole which is -- i called it an incidenocent form exaggeration. now i can call something i sold temporary $2 million i sold for $10 million that becomes hyperbole. the truth is the truth, hyperbole is a lie thai don't go together. >> reporter: in 1990, truthful hyperbole was on display in haltom city. >> when the city of control mission went down there on opening day to check out that all the things had been done, they shut down a third of the slotsz. >> reporter: slots that were critical to the casino's success. >> the slots are the prime revenue producer of the casino. to shut down the third on opening day was both humiliating and financial disastrous. >> something could go back and
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he would say, it's because we had so much business here that this happened. not that the system's broke down, not that we didn't though what we were doing. we had so much business it broke down. >> what about the slot machine thing when they were down for a while? >> the slots were so hot, again nobody saw people play that hard and that fast -- >> it blew out the slots -- >> it blew it apart. it was like a fizz or a fire. >> donald is so wrapped up in hyperbole that it's almost constant lies. where it's the littlest things where you had 2,000 people at an event he'd say there's 5,000 people at an event. >> reporter: behavior that might have been tolerated at a boardroom or during a real estate deal but not from a pulpit. >> you can say anything in a room, anything, and people do. and we know as real estate
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people you always check what everybody says. >> reporter: allan represented the bank that held trump's debt wen he was in financial trouble decades ago. >> it didn't mean people lie because they don't necessarily lie but they sell. and if you tell me something and i don't check it, and i buy the real estate it's my fall not yours. i own it, it's mine. i don't think it works that way in the world. in the world everybody listens to what the president says. what the president says matter. >> i will to the best of my able -- >> reporter: trump may have changed jobs but not himself. >> there's no belief system. if it will work i will say it. if it stops working i'll say it's opposite and i will not feel nikon pungs about saying it's opposite because i don't believe anything in the first place. >> it's all about telling the story he wants to tell. >> seeing from his perspective doesn't make the distinction
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between what's true and what's false. his only distinction is what will work with what will not work. and if it happens to be true, okay, he'll live with that, that's fine. there is no governor in his mind that says, oh, you know what, i really am pissed off about somebody saying something like that but i'm not going to lie in response to it. that doesn't exist inside his brain, just not there. that's the nature of not having a conscious. >> and what happens when he's challenged with facts. what does he do? >> he has a genius perverse genius for turning any situation into something that is evidence of his brilliance. even if it's not true. >> and they treat me nicely on that speech yesterday. >> reporter: the need for exaggeration to always be first and never be wrong is rooted in the need to be the best says a
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biographer. >> the truth wouldn't quite good enough. i think that's the important thing toens about donald and the trump way. the trump way is to be impossible superior, always be winning and prevailing and always be the best thing. >> reporter: even if the best thing turns out to be a lie. and as we all know credible is the coin of realm for any president, especially for one facing his first foreign policy crises. don. >> gloria thank you very much. when we come back, will president trump ever change his relationship with the truth. what impact with his credibility problem have on his presidency? what if we could bring you better value
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we told you about the crisis of credibility in the white house. but what will that mean for the president just a little over 200 days into his term? back with my panel that was just getting heated up before the break there. the president clearly has a problem with the truth. you saw gloria's report there. what does this do to the office of the presidency? >> in many ways -- you know, we think of the office of the presidency as a static thing but presidents as much are shaped by the presidency, they also shape the office of the presidency as well. i mean, the way that obama conducted himself in office, obviously, you have donald trump as the anti-obama in many ways. you think about jimmy carter he came into office promising to the american people that he would never tell a lie, this sort of subtext of that was about nixon. and so i think whoever succeeds
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donald trump in four to eight years will likely have to have a conversation about how they expect to conduct themselves in office. i don't necessarily see that the way that donald trump conducts himself will necessarily have any effect or carry over in terms of how -- whoever else succeeds him conducts himself in office. >> daniel, the trump -- your paper is running a tally of every false thing that trump has said. what is the official number 200 days into his presidency? >> we are at 500. >> 500? >> yeah. >> do you have room to print anything else? >> we don't run them in print. it's an online project for obvious reasons. >> jack, you smile, but -- >> i'm smiling because i wonder if they kept such a tally on obama. i would never -- >> let's not -- don't try to compare -- don't try to compare. politicians are politicians and they don't always meet up to campaign promises. i know if you say if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
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that's one -- but if you look at 500. come on, jack, let's be real. >> can you be honest when it comes to this president and his relationship with the truth? for once, can you do it? >> yes. i always am, don. let me point something out, though. bill clinton, if we could all admit wasn't always factual in some of his statements but when we were at war in bosnia or bombing kosovo, and i went to kosovo with bill clinton, the american people got behind him because americans do get behind a commander in chief during a time of crisis and they forgive a lot of statements and a lot of partisanships and previous thoughts because they understand that the stakes are high. i want to say that, but -- >> but it's nor about credibility when you do it 500 times. this new poll shows 73% of americans, jack, don't trust what they hear from the white house. that's not a question of getting behind the president. how can the president lead
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without the trust of the american people? >> well, as you may know, a rasmussen poll in 2013 actually said that the press reliability was below 15% at that time. now it has gone up. it has gone down. it depends on who you're interviewing. >> the yes was about the white house, not about the press. >> but it depends on who's reading these things and who's responding to them. so you don't really know. i got to tell you. i have read a lot of polls. i may be the only one on the panel that's paid for polls and interpreted polls and spent thousands of dollars based on polling decisions. what i do know is it depends on the demographic that you poll, time of day that you poll and the way the questions are phrased. i haven't seen that -- >> but jack, a lie doesn't depend on the way you're polled. the lie depends on the truth and facts. that doesn't depend on an interception. you can't say two plus two
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equals four, well, not as -- some people may interpret that as one way and some people call it old math and others call it new math -- >> don, if you interview people from san francisco -- >> that's how you sound. >> if you're going to interview people from san francisco and weigh them heavier than people, say, from nebraska or a swing state like pennsylvania, north carolina, ohio, or wisconsin -- >> a lie doesn't matter where you're from. so a lie's not the same -- a lie is not the same in the south as it is -- but go on. >> the poll in reality, you can't just rely on that. what i do -- i mean, you would agree with me that the american people were solidly behind bill clinton when we were at war in kosovo and bosnia. and yet, he did not have a sterling reputation for telling the truth all the time. could we agree on that? >> okay. phil? >> let me be simple here. this ain't about the president. it's about his cabinet.
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when the president comes out and says iran is not in compliance with the nuclear deal, who are you going to believe, don? i'm not going to believe the guy. the pressure on the cabinet is if the president says something that's not true, are they going to come out and reverse him? look at what we've seen. state department has said he's not correct on iran compliance with the nuclear deal. the defense department sexual orientation of military officers has said we ain't doing it until you guys give us an implementation plan. the cia director and the director of national intelligence have said nice views, mr. president on russian meddling with the election. we don't agree with you. i think this is a unique pressure on the cabinet when the president comes out and makes something up to come out and speak in ways the cabinets don't usually speak and say the president is making stuff up. i think we'll see that in the future. >> why didn't you do it with president bush or president obama or president clinton.
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why didn't you guys do a tally then? >> i was in high school in the bush presidency and just out of college in the clinton presidency. but the reason is trump is just different. talk to any historian who studies presidents. we have just not seen day-to-day serial lying like we've seen from trump. obama was never wholly truthful. >> but not to this normal. but not to this number. thank you, all. we'll be right back. work up a sweat during the day. not at night. only tempur-breeze® mattresses use an integrated system of technologies to keep you cool while you sleep.
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-- captions by vitac -- president trump and kim jong-un in a heated war of words as a worried world watches. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. north korea putting out a threatening statement tonight including this quote. once u.s. show as sign of starting to carry out the full hearted plot, we will launch the korean-style pre-emptive retaliatory operation of justice to annihilate the minds of the thrice-cursed operation and all the criminals involved in it." that is in the wake of the intel that the regime has produced a


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