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it is being done somewhat differently but some things will remain the same with the home state of the nominee, delaware, expected to cast ballots to put them over the top and make the nomination official. we will bring you that as it happens. right now, we want to welcome our contributors, rick davis, jeanne zaino. welcome to both of you. rick, give us your take of last night. was it a success for the democrats? rick: one of the things they were able to do effectively is get their message out. michelle obama was a terrific messenger. she went right after donald trump in a hard way and implored the democratic party to do something they didn't do four years ago and that's turned and big numbers. the bad news is last night viewership was 20% below where it was four years ago. so, the effort of using michelle obama to get a good audience to this very unique convention,
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that nobody really knew how it would turn out as far as viewership goes, is a little bit disappointing on night one. we will see what happens tonight with dr. jill biden as the anchor of tonight's program and see if we can attract more viewers. david: do they have much of a hope of doing that? michelle obama was a pretty big gun the first night. you would expect her to have the draw. i'm not sure what's going to happen. jeanne: yeah, i think we have to be a little careful because so much of this is streaming. all of the numbers -- rick is right. viewership is down on live tv. there is streaming. students do not watch anything live. and afterwards. one of the things that last night did, they talked about the fact that trump is not in their view qualified to be president. i think the democrats really have to think about, they want to pull over these voters but they need to persuade in these swing states. they will have to do much more than just talk about how he is
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not just qualified and what joe biden will do on the economy, on covid in terms of restoring america, restoring stability. positivehat sort of folly -- policy message which is hard to do in any convention, that is what they need to persuade these independent to moderate voters and i don't know yet if they have gotten there. david: it is early going in the week. ehe move tonight, what jeann says is largely an attack on the current president, is in moving towards let's get to know joe biden and through his wife, jill biden? that is really the high point, i suspect, of tonight. rick: tonight, dr. jill biden is going to do something the american public is not seen. talk about herself, talked about her experience in the classroom. the challenges of education and her background. point of the spouse's view how we should think about joe biden.
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even though he has been around public life for as long as we have all been around, we don't really play -- know him that well. he has played second fiddle to people like barack obama. certainly, joe biden has some catching up to do and tonight is the beginning of that sort of effort to try to portray joe biden as something other than a politician. david: one thing i'm curious about -- the theme tonight is leadership matters. leadership. do people vote for presidents built on leadership? that seems like an abstract concept. jeanne: certainly, people don't vote on foreign policy. unless there's a crisis. if it is foreign policy, absolutely not. i think what they are trying to talk about is a restoration of the kind of leadership people remember pre-president trump. i think they want to talk about that by bringing out some former presidents which they have done tonight. jimmy carter, bill clinton. i think the progressives in the
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party, bringing out a bill clinton, colin powell reminds them of things they don't want to think about like the iraq war. there is a positive and negative when they bring out some of these former leaders. and they say this is what joe biden is going to restore. what joe biden needs to do is break out from under the shadow of president obama and talk about what he is going to do differently in all of these areas. david: our bloomberg contributors will be staying with us throughout the evening. let's be frank, this entire convention is figuring out who will occupy the white house for the next four years and some but has that position. we turn now to mario parker. mr. trump occupies the white house. how is he reacting to all of this? evening, her, this has been tweeting a little bit. earlier this evening, he retweeted one of his supporters who was criticizing colin powell's speech, characterizing
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colin powell as a puppet of the establishment. he has also tweeted about one reason so ago that the why we have more cases, more coronavirus cases is because we have more testing. thes a familiar defense president has employed in recent months as cases have resurged in the u.s.. , he has been on this counter programming tour, if you will. visiting swing states to try to quell some of the attention the democrats are getting this week. david: we have a rollcall call vote going on. we expect this to be orchestrated so delaware puts it over the top. mario, we are seeing some republicans. last night, we saw john kasich. tonight, we are seeing colin powell. a brief appearance by the late john mccain as well. the republicans, particular the
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trump campaign worried about taking away some republicans from their base? mario: it's an important counter move on the part of biden because the trump campaign has been trying to portray biden as a vessel or a puppet of the most radical parts, the most extreme parts of the party. they are trying to paint him as an empty vessel for the aspirations of bernie sanders and a.o.c., as well. the fact that the bank -- biden campaign has put forth some centrists and republicans who may be disaffected with president trump is very important. they are trying to make a lot more collateral -- palau to those individuals. david: we want to go to the convention because joe biden has just gone over the top.
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the number needed for him to become candidate for the u.s. president. >> skilled union workers like josh and the future will be made in america. ohio casts 20 votes for senator bernie sanders and 134 votes for the next president, joe biden. o-h! >> i-o! >> today, hatred still lives in our nation, but so does resolve. oklahoma refused to let ourselves be defined by division then in our nation must turn back the tide of violence now. oklahoma casts 13 votes for bernie sanders and 24 votes for our next president, joe biden. >> oregon. >> as black americans standing on native land, we probably represent oregon.
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laid bareeason unequal health care access and deaths in communities of color. david: what we are listening to is a roll call vote as we go through state after state. we have not heard from delaware. it is expected they will come in at the very end. he's already gone over the number required. rick, i want to come back to you. watching this, it does strike me going back to your point about the convention last night. this is a far cry from what we saw on the typical convention floor where someone is standing up and everybody is roaring, demonstrations going on. this is somewhat more subdued, is fair to say. moments's missing those that conventions typically give you. frankly, it is what those moments are is what people remember over years. some turn of a phrase in a speech by the candidate or his family. the appearance for the first time in the hall by the candidate and his family. that finallyngs
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orchestrated. good friend of mine who did this for ronald reagan thought the moments is what really pay off and it is it's really hard to create these kind of moments on video. i think that is one of the things we are missing in this process. david: such a great point. even in the white house when president reagan was elected, every day there was one of those moments, one of those photos that would capture the administration. how do you create that moment, that image in this new virtual streaming world? jeanne: it is so hard to do. it is so hard to break through in this world. just listening to what you were talking about. i was listening to end richards speech at the convention and it was such a magical moment. there has been so many of those over the years but it's awfully hard to do when you don't have a live audience. when you don't have people to react. it is amazing what michelle obama did last night because she
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was able to give a really good speech with no audience. that is tough to do. that is sort of what is missing. these off-the-cuff moments that is hard to create. david: stay with us. we are up to rhode island now. we will keep going until we get to delaware. meantime, we want to get a check on where the asian markets are going. there's a big storm brewing. we go to sophie kamaruddin in hong kong for a market check. sophie: that would be the typhoon that just shut down hong kong public transportation this morning. we're going to wait to see if the session will continue as normal. take a look at the board. chinese stockstill laggard in the region while the msci index index is extending gains. gaugeout the tech heavy with the china holding a three-day rally with a battery maker falling on its earnings. we have seen some diversions
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when it comes to the yuan. we have the offshore rate continuing to trade below 692 this morning. i want to pull out the chart on the terminal for a broader look at where asian stocks stand in relation to their u.s. peers. you are seeing the correlation breakdown with the msci index first a correlation with the s&p 500 in negative territory amid the diversions we are seeing on earnings, policies and now politics. david: thank you to sophie kamaruddin for that market check. whoever occupies the white house for the next four years will have his hands full with an economy battered by the pandemic and the shut they triggered, leading to a sharp drop in gdp despite massive monetary and fiscal intervention. for more on what a biden presidency would meet, we welcome adam, the president of the president is the twofer economics. adam, thank you for being here. the economy will looms so large
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on the agenda of whoever sits in the white house come january. what are the challenges that a president biden would have or for that matter president trump would have? adam: thanks for having me. obviously, the first challenge is recovery from the pandemic and that is first and foremost a public health concern. but the real issue is going to be what happens to the millions of workers in industries that are shrinking and the millions of workers who are permanently went to shrink like in person nail salons probably are not going to go back to normal. in person restaurants are not going to be the same size they were. you are going to have a lot of people who need to find new opportunities and need help. there are also millions of people will be good-looking after children and elderly at home. we are already seeing that. it is going to have a huge transformation for the workforce. the second big challenge is how do we get from the kinds of
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furlough and stimulus that should be happening now to a longer-term path that is sustainable? ont is going to rely as much congress has with the president. david: what do we know about joe biden and his approach to those sorts of problems as opposed to president trump? how would a joe biden differ in your estimation? adam: i think on the facts, it is easy to see a huge difference. andt off, the stimulus whatever help is given will be more direct and more to low income people and less about tax cuts for people that are already working anyway. i think there will be better coronation of congress. to be fair, treasury secretary mnuchin and share kudlow have done a good job with this congress until the last month. on an ongoing basis, probably better with congress unless you get a clear republican majority in the senate. i think there's going to be a fundamental shift in terms of
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regulation and supervision of various industries. the question is how much does president biden if elected turn everything around, particularly in environmental and labor areas through executive order versus how much restoring the status quo and try to change things through legislation? otherwise, we keep swinging back and forth with every new president. jeanne: in terms of what you have heard so far during the campaign from joe biden, from the democrats, what would you like to hear them say? i deal a lot with young people and have to say students that graduated in may in the midst of this pandemic and those set to graduate next year awfully concerned about this job market. the costs of their debt, the cost of health care. what is the number one thing you would like joe biden and the democrats to say they are going to do day one if they get into the white house in terms of
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moving the economy through this difficult period? adam: it's incredibly challenging. i think the number one thing they have to do is come up with a better way of supporting state and local governments, including their activities of community colleges of education, of public service jobs that that is going to have to be something on the first day if we cannot get the stimulus bill through. the second thing is reallocating the burden of taxes. we don't necessarily have to raise taxes a lot, but we need to change perceptions of fairness and economic efficiency. where is the burden of taxes hit. right now, it is too much on people. this is where the left wing of -- party does in this area think about antitrust for the digital age. how do we get dynamism back in this economy which will create new jobs? david: what did you want to ask? rick: i was going to follow up on that. one of the things that is
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getting hotly debated in washington right now is the tax structure for these internet companies. really, speaking as a republican, have been pretty progressive i going after these guys who they see is amassing an anonymous a math -- mount of wealth who then share a bigger burden personally on the tax code. do you see there can be progress especially on a bipartisan basis in washington next year? for godless of who was elected. adam: there's certainly should be. there was a brief moment with the tax-cut package passed at the end of president trump's first year in office where there was some progress not just on changing those tax codes, but also the international aspect which you need to do connecture not havingples, aare their money to the bahamas. extentt politically how
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for is a republican senate would be. there is enormous support across a range of voters, states, across a range of policy analysts for some kind of change. you can look at the writings of some people at the cato institute, other think tanks that are normally associated with the republican party. they have been very open about the need to have more competition. that is a free market value as well as a progressive. david: we have a lot more to talk to about. we are following this roll call vote going on at the convention. we are in the state of wisconsin now which is the host state, in some fashion. right after wisconsin, we expect delaware to come in. that will be the moment joe biden's home state will announce. >> it has always been his northstar, delivering for families like his own. working people who struggle and sacrifice to build a better life. nobody has ever had to wonder
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who joe biden is in it for. faces daunting challenges but i have known joe biden and there is no one i trust more to unite our party. he is humble, he tells the truth. he treats everybody he encounters with respect and builds bridges, not walls. easily they're made for this moment and the finest public servant i have ever known. >> delaware is proud to cast its 32 votes for our favorite son and our next president -- >> delaware is joe biden! david: without the balloons falling, without the confetti. although you can see some reaction on zoom. it appears joe biden is pleased, if not surprised. we see a lot of people applauding this . normally we would have a big celebration but we don't have a real convention. let's turn now to our washington correspondent, host of bloomberg radio's "sound on," kevin
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cirilli. kevin: a few points i would make here. first and foremost, this is largely trying on the democrats to have a widespread unifying appeal. whether it is in certain cases republican speaking or freshman congresswoman alexander? inause iria ocasio-cortez which earlier this evening, she said is the beginning of a new kind of democratic coalition. the second point i would make is for the democrats, it really raises the question of whether or not this broad coalition is going to play well in key battleground states, in key swing districts like michigan, wisconsin, and parts of pennsylvania. the third point i would make is for other rising stars like freshman congressman conor lamb, another centrist democrat from pennsylvania, he was not given as much speaking time as someone like aoc. that contrast when i talked to
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my republican sources is something they are clearly aware of. they are looking at things like the green new deal and trying to portray this as a message of a party that has gone too far left and a nominee who has lost control of it. david: thank you to kevin cirilli. we have been seeing joe biden and dr. jill biden, his wife actually in a classroom where you will hear from her later on. she is a teacher, a doctorate in education. we will hear from her later on. adam, i want to come back to you. one of the really interesting questions i see emerging right now is this a different approach to the economy? certainly, bernie sanders thinks it is. at the same time, some people would like to portray joe biden as pretty much a moderate. do we know what we are getting from joe biden when it comes to managing the economy? adam: i think we do. i think it is going to be
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further left in a frankly constructive way than some of the obama policies were but i think it is going to stop far short of bernie sanders or aoc. i think it is important to keep a perspective on this. there are a lot of economies in the world, including very free-market allies of the u.s. like the united kingdom, australia, canada, as well as places like south korea, japan and especially germany and -- and northern europe. way and the private sector. it has not hurt that much. there was an argument to be made in the 1970's and 1980's when the wages and taxes were so excessive in the u.s. was being more dynamic. that gap was usually closed. we've had repeated crises. it is only reasonable for people to say, ok, the u.s. does not need to be a crazy outlier.
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that starts with health care. that will be the biggest chip in some ways for average people. under president biden. jeanne: adam, in terms of his approach overseas, we are hearing a lot that he is going to be forming alliances that he wants to restore the allies that we once had that democrats feel have been lost under president trump. if he's elected and he moves in that direction and we think about it in terms of president trump's approach to china, how do you think joe biden handles that? because one of the criticisms we hear over and over about his time as vice president was that under president obama, a vice president biden did not do enough to take on china and he's gotten strong since the campaign but what do you think he does in terms of taking on china beyond trying to work with our allies? adam: i think you are absolutely
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right. the biggest difference between a biden presidency and another presidency vis-a-vis china is the method and how much you pick fights with your potential allies versus bring them on side. i think the trump administration and biden administration -- campaign, unfortunately are going to be in a tit-for-tat match between now and the election talk about who's going to be tougher. china is a large place with nuclear weapons and its own economy. a lot of support domestically for its government. the ability of the u.s. to talk tough is not that constructive. is thing that could change that you will see greater regard for human rights, including the oppression of the muslims in north china or what is happening in hong kong. that's not economic matter. the american public and the congress can decide to pursue that. that will have economic costs
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and we can decide if it is worth it. that will be a difference. i think the biggest thing that will happen is the question of how much you make this a battle of the chinese coming's party and focus on national security versus how much soft power, in terms of human exchange, in terms of a change of ideas. in terms of letting technology flow. i think there are a lot of democrats who are at least as hawkish. think of senator mark warner from virginia as some of the republicans and trump people. i frankly think that is counterproductive. that is where i think a lot of the debate will be, how you implement technology relations. how many barriers you put up outside of neroli defined. aboutyou talked earlier the importance of the stimulus
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and we have heard for three years donald trump's interest in doing an infrastructure bill. many people think that is a good way to put people to work and create an economic stimulus that has lasting impact. joe biden threw his build back better campaign is talk about doing the same thing. do you think we have a chance as a part of whoever is elected president next term to get a substantial investment in our infrastructure as part of a stimulus package for post-covid economic recovery? adam: i certainly would hope so. as you are implying, the interest rates are this low, public infrastructure is broken down. when we have unemployed skilled people or unskilled people that need new work, this is a great thing to invest in. when the returns of the private market is not that attractive. it is one of the shames of the last several years, the last few
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years that we did not get an infrastructure bill when it would have a perfectly good sense. another different biden versus trump is we might get i and infrastructure bill under trump depending on the composition of congress but it should be a organizations towards new energy. i think that piece of the infrastructure bill would be different than the two administrations. this is one of those things as you imply rightly, it is essentially the $50 bill sitting on the ground, we should pick it up and we have not been able to do that yet. david: it is always such a pleasure, a real treat to have you with us. the president of the peterson institute for international economics. coming up, we will have much more from the convention. the theme tonight is leadership matters. i talked with former homeland security secretary jeh johnson
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on that subject. what is leadership at the top of the government, particularly when it comes to national security and issues of homeland security? that is coming up on bloomberg television and radio. ♪
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>> this job interview, the difference is stark. you know what donald trump will do with four more years. blaine, bully and belittle. you know what joe biden will do. filled back better. -- build back better. >> that was bill clinton speaking at the democratic national convention about leadership, particularly in the oval office. that is the theme tonight, leadership, but national security and foreign policy could be added. i spoke to jeh johnson earlier today about the qualities america's next commander-in-chief will need to meet the coming challenges over the next four years.
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>> experience teaches, history teaches that one could never fully know what is awaiting you in your inbox when you take office on january 20, and george bush 43, for example, could not have known on january 20, 2001, that he was going to be grappling with 9/11 and the aftermath nine months later. but obviously in terms of security issues, covid, i fully expect we will still be wrestling with covid, the pandemic, by january. longer-term challenges, global warming, the threats represented by china, russia, iran, specifically the cyber security threats, od yanai put out statements about how the chinese, russians and iranians are messing with our democracy. there will be any number of challenges faces whoever -- facing whoever the president is.
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>> the first one first, covid-19. what leadership do we need, whether we have had it or not -- it is a pandemic we haven't seen for over 100 years. what is leadership and that sort of crisis? >> good question. i think the answer is staring us in the face. we have seen some very good examples of leadership through this crisis, and what the american people in my experience and my observation, most appreciate about good leadership is simply telling us the truth. what is the truth about the danger we face and how we solve it, and what we the american public can do to solve it. often, politicians believe they need to tell the public what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. and in my experience, if you simply are straight with the american people, if you tell the truth about the problem and how to solve it, they will respond.
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if you treat the public like grown-ups, we will respond. in a number of jurisdictions around the country, including in the northeast, we have had strong leadership that has encouraged, -- encouraged discipline, physical distancing, wearing masks and the trendlines in new york state have all been good from the depths of where we were in mid april, because people have been oriented towards not becoming casual and not letting their guard down and taking this seriously thanks to the leadership i believe of gathering or -- governor cuomo and his straight talk to new yorkers. >> you have been at the upper levels of leadership in the federal government. i must say, it is a rare thing for the president to look us in the eye and give us bad news and own up to it. what are the forces that prevent that? you gave an example of governor cuomo, he didn't hesitate to say this is bad and you are not going to like it. we don't often hear that from a
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president. what are the pressures on leaders at the national levels that prevent them from being straight with us? >> a couple things and different contexts. politics can play a role. in different contexts, that for whatever reason will act as a deterrent to being straight with the american people. that is unfortunate. i always tried to tell the truth to the people when we were in a time of high anxiety, and my all, tellas first of the truth about the threat we face, then number two, explained to the american public what their government is doing about it. here are the 10 things your government, your department of homeland security, is doing to address the current threat. number three, what you the american people can do to support our efforts and protect
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yourselves. when you do those three things, thatieve people understand we don't live in a risk-free society, whether it is covid, a possibility ofe another terrorist attack, as long as you are straight with people and let them know the government is on the job working as hard as we possibly can to protect the american people, if you do that, they are willing to partner with us in government to help. >> how does one strike the right balance between transmitting and receiving as a leader, particularly when it comes to things where lives are on the line? that could be covid-19, national security, homeland security. how do you strike the right balance between listening, taking conflicting views in but at some point, saying i am going to decide? you can err on either side. >> good question. office, i made a point of having within my inner
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circle within the department of homeland security, people who i knew were going to give me the in-house company line and people whose views often mirrored that of the larger public. -- on anye, when immigration -- immigration issue, i would have the pro enforcement factions but i have what -- wanted to have around the table people who represented the views of immigration reformists, the activists. those outside the department of homeland security, and when you get a range of divert interviews , that is the environment for healthy government decision-making. >> that was part of my conversation with jeh johnson. as johnson said, one of the issues for the president, donald ourp or joe biden, will be relations with china. we welcome back tom mackenzie. great to have you back with us. i'm sure you heard president
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trump on his visit to arizona said i am in no big rush to talk to the chinese. we are not talking trade because i don't want to come i don't like what they did in the covid-19 situation. how is that being received over there? >> we are still waiting for an official reaction but a couple key takeaways. the relationship, the personal relationship between president trump and president xi, which president trump was touting until this year, that has changed for president trump. that is something the chinese were holding onto was a sliver of hope in terms of relations between the countries. in the trade talks front, consistently china has wanted to hold the phase i deal. in terms of their commitment around purchases they are behind because of the covid impact but in recent weeks, they have been stepping up purchases. there is little sign china wants to walk away from the phase one trade deal. they will make efforts to try to keep that on board. there is a raft of other issues china is wrestling with. we had the state department in
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the u.s. coming out and pressuring or advising u.s. companies and universities to divest their investments in chinese companies. that is the theme around delisting chinese companies and something that has been digested in beijing. the attempts to curb huawei, one of the biggest companies in china, you get a sense of the importance when you look at the front page of the china daily. in terms of the dnc, that is in focus for officials here, officials were wrongfooted in 2016 and put their research into hillary clinton. they thought she was going to win and they were wrongfooted when trump won the election. in terms of what is happening in china, it is a state run tabloid, you have it on the front page, the headline says the trump administration is playing the china card to try to win. it talks about some of the big political beats in the democratic party. it is being followed and in
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terms of trade talks, china will be keen to try to keep the phase one deal on track even as they look to these other issues around tiktok and huawei and taiwan. they have been relatively restrained, but leading up to november if there is more action from the u.s., can china continue to remain restrained? >> i'm fascinated by the research on hillary clinton. it went into the wastebasket because trump got elected. in the early days of president trump, there were lots of reports the chinese were spending time and effort trying to figure out this man. have we gone to that well too many times? it is not clear they can really manage president trump. true.t is they thought at the beginning that he was someone they could do deals with. when you talk to members of the elite, they said this is a man we could discuss issues on and strike a deal with. they have been wrongfooted time and time again.
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they will continue to do research around biden at a second term for trump. >> think so much, tom mackenzie, our coanchor in beijing. we are waiting at the convention for colin powell, former secretary of state, to appear. we have another republican who will be talking about joe biden and leadership because the theme of tonight is about leadership, particularly from the oval office. , instead we will go to something else. we will go to an unlikely friendship, joe biden's relationship with, i'm sorry, we will go to, i'm getting conflicting messages. as we look at the chinese relationship, how fraught is this for joe biden if he becomes president? >> very. it is one of many issues in the foreign policy arena and economic arena that is on his agenda day one if he becomes president.
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you have china, north korea, you've got a run, you've also got -- iran, you've also got the edge -- the issue of climate. around the world, the issue of allies and how he deals with relationships that they feel have been fraught, he has so many issues on his plate but china is certainly one of the biggest because it is not just a foreign policy issue and a humanitarian issue, it is a really important economic issue for the united states. i go back to the fact that i think one of the criticisms of president obama and vice president biden is, they weren't able to deal with that and many people are curious as to what changes under a biden presidency from an obama presidency. >> there may not be a lot of uncertainty in the production of the convention but there is to try to follow the convention because we were told colin powell was about to speak but they are a little behind in their timing. we are waiting for colin powell
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because we want to let you listen to that. after that, we will have something narrated by cindy mccain about the relationship husband, johnte mccain, and joe biden, who formed a close relationship over the years. we will go to colin powell speaking at the convention. >> three years later, a ship pulled into new york harbor. a young jamaican woman gazed up at the statue of liberty for the first time. they became my parents and they inspired me to finish college and join the army. this began a journey of service that would take me from basic training to combat in vietnam, up the ranks to serve as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and secretary of state. the values i learned growing up in the south bronx and serving in uniform or the same values that joe biden's parents instilled in him in scranton, pennsylvania. i support joe biden for the presidency of the united states because those values still define him and we need to
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restore those values to the white house. our country needs a commander-in-chief who takes care of our troops in the same way he would his own family. but joe biden -- for joe biden, that comes from the experience he shares with millions of military families, sending his beloved son off to war and praying to god he would come home safe. joe biden will be a president we will all be proud to salute. with joe biden in the white house, you will never doubt that he will stand with our friends and stand up to our adversaries, never the other way around. he will trust our diplomats and our intelligence community, not the flattery of dictators -- bits. he will make it his job to know when anyone dares to threaten us. he will stand up to adversaries with strength and experience. they will know he means business. i support joe biden because beginning on day one, he will restore america's leadership and our moral authority. he will be a president who knows
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america is strongest when, as he has said, we lead both by the power of our example and the example of our power. he will restore america's leadership in the world and the alliances we need to address the dangers that threaten our nation , climate change to nuclear proliferation. today, we are a country divided and we have a president doing everything in his power to make it that way. and keep us that way. what a difference it will make to have a president who unites us, who restores our strength and our soul. i still believe in our hearts, we are the same america brought my parents to our shores, and inspires freedom around the world. that is the american -- the america joe biden will lead as our next president. >> that is colin powell, former secretary of state and former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, speaking on behalf of joe biden. there is a video going on introducing john mccain. we expect a video narrated by
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cindy mccain. let's listen. the 1970's, joe was assigned to a trip overseas. >> i was the navy senate liaison and i used to carry your bags on overseas trips. the son of a gun never carried my bags. he was supposed to carry my bags, but he never carried my bags. >> that is a bit of the video playing at the convention. that is cindy mccain talking about her late husband, senator john mccain, and his relationship with joe biden. we go to rick davis. rick, you were close to john mccain. he ran his presidential campaign for him. i know you are close to cindy mccain. talk about this relationship. >> it is two men from different backgrounds. after a while, from different parties with different ambitions and views of the world, but they found a unique relationship that was both a friendship and a
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desire to work together to make the world a better place. in that, really, that is what really characterizes the relationship between john and joe biden. joe biden served as a mentor of john mccain early on. this film shows john mccain was still in the navy when he first met senator biden on a trip overseas and when john ultimately became a senator from arizona, a colleague of joe biden, they worked together and they fought together but at the end of the night, they could go have a cocktail and discuss the world as they see it. they always saw the world the same way as americans. it is a stroll down memory lane, but i think an important value lesson for people who watch it. and that is that you can fight like dogs and cats all day long over politics, but at the end of the day, you are all americans and you have to work together to make the world a safer place and a better place. >> you can fight like dogs and cats but come together or you
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could? is that still possible today? it strikes me, looking at late john mccain and colin powell, is there a place in the republican party for republicans of that ilk today or has president trump so fundamentally transformed the party that it is pushing them out? >> the one thing that is a lesson to me over 40 years in politics is, as soon as you think you figured it out, it will change. the environment today is different than it was when john mccain first became a senator. it is going to be different four years from now, eight years from now, 12 years from now. what you strive to do is make it better, and i think there are people in the united states senate from both parties, in the house of representatives from both parties, who are interested in working together to get something done, and if we can get some daylight in washington away from partisanship and politics, you have a chance for the country to improve rapidly. >> let me ask you about the role
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of the center. it was certainly on the republican side and democrat side even, as we see bernie sanders fighting for the left, where does the center go? or do they stay home? >> that is the big question. we see the democrats this week fighting hard to bring them over. that is why they have colin powell and john kasich and cindy mccain out there. watching this video, there is so much nostalgia, but to your point, you wonder, is that kind of relationship possible today? certainly, the person who wins the white house this year is going to attract those independents and moderates. that is really what this is about. you have to win in those swing states, you have to pull those people over and if they stay home, both sides will be in trouble. when it comes to governing, then we are all in trouble because you get these intractable positions like we have with the second stimulus, where nobody
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wants to bend even in the time of crisis, which is just stunning when you think about it. andolitics changes everything changes. politics changes over time. there was a time when people thought for the people in the middle. is that true anymore? my sense is increasingly it is more going to your base and getting them to turn out and be passionate. you don't need as many of them as they come out -- as long as they come and vote for you. >> i think it changed quite a bit. karl rove into thousand four set about the bush reelection come all we need is some more white evangelicals from ohio who are already for us to turn out. we don't need new people, we just need our current base to show up even more. in the polling today, it is a different scene. there is so much that has changed about the fabric of the party, the democrats moved further right, the republicans have become more of a trump party, and many people are watching in the center, and it is not an ideological center. in many cases it is the center
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of the country, in the suburbs, and they don't have a party that represents their hopes and dreams and aspirations. where did they go? in the polling today, that shows as much as 14% of those voters who have may historically supported the republican party, looking for a home. if the democrats can reach out and i think all these things we have been talking about, whether kasich's speech or the john mccain video or the colin powell discussion tonight, these are always to have a conversation with those voters where the democratic party isn't used to having that conversation. to pull them into the democratic party. >> i'm always reluctant to say it is different this time because it often is in, but given coronavirus and the uncertainty and the economic situation we have, we have talked about the census survey, how many people across the country of every political stripe are worried about a roof over their heads, having food on the table, having a job.
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i wonder if there is an opportunity for a candidate, it could be donald trump or joe biden, who kind of crossed the ideology and said, i will take care of you and make sure you have a better life. >> i think there is an opportunity and the data that the census collected showing the amount of insecurity there is out there is just astounding. i have never seen anything like it. yet i don't think we have seen either candidate yet, they may still, there is time, effectively do that. that,ebody was able to do that is where you could pull over this 14 per percent -- this 14% or at least some of them and that could make a big difference. that takes a willingness to work across the aisle, regardless of party. i think that is where we see problems. i have to say, joe biden suggests a willingness to do that, the president hasn't throughout his four or three years in office, shown that much of a willingness to reach out. i think that is where some of
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the concern lies. >> we want to bring in kevin, our washington correspondent. give us your sense of this. are republicans, particularly trump, worried about democrats putting on colin powell, john kasich, cindy mccain? >> i will keep this tight. i think we have two former secretaries of state, john kerry, colin powell, then the widow of one of the most mccain, at acindy convention hall you know this, that would have been lightning in a bottle. whether or not it alienates the base, we don't know. but i still am not sure, and republicans and democrats are not sure, whether this will break through in this virtual medium. now we await dr. jill biden, who will add a personal touch to her husband and address that.
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it will likely drive many headlines. the personal touch and the education -- she will be coming from a classroom. >> she is one of the very few married to the vice president who continued to work and teach when he was in office. that is something joe biden talked about and that does distinguish jill biden. she has a career in education and it is an area in which a lot of work needs to be done from a policy perspective and it is something she cares deeply about. we will probably hear her talk about it tonight. if elected, this may be part of the platform she uses as first lady. >> as we wait for jill biden, the former second lady, dr. jill biden, it strikes me that we will lose another iconic moment, because typically when the president goes out and hugs, the nominee hugs his wife, that is a
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big moment. that is in campaign ads all around. we are not going to have that tonight. >> no, i think kevin touched it off, these are the kinds of moments we were talking about earlier in the broadcast that are orchestrated and worked on and when they are done in the hall with thousands of people and there is this emotion and intensity and excitement, you can feel it on the other end of the tv. tonight, we get to watch it on video clips. we get to make our own judgments as to how influential that is. it is unfortunate. i think some of the headlines about the digital convention will kill the regular convention i think are the opposite. i think after this two weeks of watching these digital conventions, everybody is going another convention where we can pack ourselves into a hall and have a great time. >> i hope that happens. we will see. a vaccine thatet
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is 100% effective. we continue to wait for dr. jill biden to give her remarks, the highlight of the second night of the virtual convention of the democratic party. what about education? where does it figure into the policies? we don't hear a lot of discussion about it. >> we hear a lot about the cost of a college education, the debt students are carrying, which is enormous in this country, and of course, there are all sorts of challenges given the pandemic and what is going on in school districts across the country as teachers and students and parents get ready to potentially either send their kids online or send them in person and are very, very worried about the health of their loved ones. so all of those things combined, but you are right, we haven't yearsas much as we had in past, things like no child left behind and a concerted effort to change the shape of education in this country. which is controlled at the local and state level, but of which
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the federal government plays an enormous role in issues like funding and direction and those kinds of things. we should mention the teachers union, an important part of the democratic coalition historically. >> now i believe we will hear from dr. jill biden, who has been giving her speech from a school. let's go to that now. loved thealways sounds of a classroom. the quiet and -- that sparkles with possibility before students shuffle in. the murmur of ideas bouncing back and forth as we explore the world together. moments ofr and tiny surprise and materials you have taught a million times. when i taught english here at brandy one high school, i would spend my summer preparing for the school year about to start filled with anticipation. but this quiet is heavy.
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you can hear the anxiety that down empty-- echoes hallways. there is no scent of new notebooks or freshly waxed floors. the rooms are dark as the bright young faces that should fill them are now confined to boxes on a computer screen. i hear it from so many of you. the frustration of parents juggling work while they support their children's learning, afraid their kids might get sick from school. personcern of every working without enough protection. thatespair in the lines stretch out before food banks. and the indescribable sorrow that follows every lonely last breath when the ventilators turn off. as a mother and a grandmother,
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as an american, i am heartbroken by the magnitude of this loss, by the failure to protect our preciouses, by every and irreplaceable life gone. like so many of you, i am left asking, how do i keep my family safe? you know, motherhood came to me in a way i never expected. i fell in love with a man and two little boys standing in the wreckage of unthinkable loss, mourning a wife and mother, a daughter and sister. i never imagined at the age of 26, i would be asking myself, how do you make a broken family whole? boys, joe always told the mommy sent jill to us.
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how could i argue with her? .e figured it out together in those big moments that would go by too fast, thanksgiving, state championships, birthdays and weddings, in the mundane ones that we didn't even know readingping our lives, stories piled on the couch, rowdy sunday dinners and silly arguments. listening to the sounds of laughter that would float downstairs as joe put the kids to bed every night while i studied for grad school or graded papers under the pale yellow kitchen lamp, the dinner dishes waiting in the sink. we found that love holds a family together. love makes us flexible and resilient. it allows us to become more than thoughes together, and
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it can't protect us from the sorrows of life it gives us refuge, a home. how do you make a broken family whole? the same way you make a nation whole. withand understanding, and small acts of kindness, with bravery, with unwavering faith. you show up for each other in big ways and small ones, again and again. it is what so many of you are lovedright now, for your ones, for complete strangers, for your communities. there are those who want to tell us that our country is hopelessly divided, that our differences are irreconcilable. but that is not what i have seen over these last few months. we are coming together and holding onto each other. we are finding mercy and grace in the moments we might have
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once taken for granted. we are seeing that our differences are precious, and our similarities infinite. we have shown that the heart of this nation still beats with kindness and courage. that is the soul of america joe biden is fighting for now. son beau died of cancer, i wondered if i would ever smile or feel joy again. it was summer, but there was no warmth left for me. funeral, ifter his watched joe shave and put on his suit. i saw him steel himself in the mirror, take a breath, put his shoulders back, and walked out into a world empty of our son.

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