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tv   Inside Story 2017 Ep 352  Al Jazeera  December 20, 2017 3:32am-4:01am +03

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hello everyone i'm kemal santa maria we know it is all about america but donald trump's latest announcement on national security has showed he still has a wary eye on the international stage most notably china and russia yes iran and north korea are still seen as threats but china and russia trump says they are competition this was all part of the unveiling of trump's national security strategy in a speech in washington on monday in it he criticized pasta administrations for not looking out for the interests of american citizens and made it clear that his way forward would involve competing with other countries rather than cooperating with them as much in the president's own words quote we will stand up for ourselves and
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we will stand up for a country like we have never stood up before but in putting america first other countries were also put on notice here is donald trump on china and russia. we will attempt to build a great partnership with those and other countries but in a manner that always protects our national interest but while we seek such opportunities of cooperation we will stand up for ourselves and we will stand up for our country like we have never stood up before or meeting him a friend that we are all willing to work with the u.s. to build a strong stable and sound bilateral economic relationship it is in line with the two countries interests and the expectation of the international community and with that here is the panel for today starting in london within their g eight parma who is the chairman of the obama research network and
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a professor of international relations at city university in london in birmingham scotland as a professor of international politics at the university of birmingham and in lubbock texas all of them again a professor at texas tech university a former assistant secretary for transportation gentlemen we welcome all three of you to inside story what i'd sometimes like to do on this program is start with one question to all of you and just get a quick fire response from each of you so that question basically is was there anything know chablis different in this speech given that it was a policy speech it was a strategy speech or was it a continuation of the campaign rhetoric indrajit will start with you i think there's a definite whiff of the campaign rhetoric but there's also in the strategy itself quite clear a commitment to kind of the u.s. global leadership and it's looking for threats and enemies and i think he's identified what you said russia and china and others as well and i think that
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suggests that there's going to be a run ping up of hard american power as opposed to any kind of soft power so the use of corporate economic power to get what america wants transactionally as well as the use of military power. the beefing up of military forces that's i think is the biggest takeaway from as far as i can see particularly from the national security strategy document itself ok all points will come back to show at least scott lucas your early thoughts nothing new in the document itself we've been here before and terms of confronting strategic competitors like china and russia for example in the george w. bush administration before nine eleven what was new is the man delivering it is town we've got a bit of schizophrenia here that donald trump actually believes that a lot of reporting of russia is his very good friend wants to rely on russia and that is very much at a very much at odds with a document that he probably hasn't read but was presenting yesterday and all of them again your thoughts this is about the russia and china games can two nixons
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china games i think he's talking about the topic of speed speed for technology in science and technology to match the speed of the growing economy at six trillion dollars of wealth plus or trillion dollars he's going to repeat three eight back on shore of the united states making about a ten million dollar wealth enterprise and he's saying that economic security of the united states is global security for the nations nation states around the world all of the i'll stay with you now that we've gotten thoughts from all three of you and just start to pick out some of the things which donald trump said in his speech i noticed he said quote we are engaged in a new era of competition and this was the would he use particularly with china and russia was to define it that it wasn't saying they're their enemies as such but they are our competition what's what's new about this era of competition that wasn't a year ago two years ago three years ago china has been basically involved in a global competition of growth very very large growth and the united states has
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decided to get into that game very very aggressively right now sitting at about three point three percent growth and he's going to push this economy after he passes his tax reform. within today or tomorrow into a four percent five percent growth model that puts him at at the top three modern presidencies in growth since truman and this economy hasn't seen anything like that before what we're going to be seen is a rapid fire of building to domestic enterprise with homeland security with infrastructure development inside america and then once we build the crumbling infrastructure a strong america is a secure america but also a strong america is a skill a more secure world and that's really what he's saying in the behind the words in the strategy inside this speech on monday is that not a bit isolationist all of and that's something we're going to address more later
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still. trump is coming that she will in a spirit of co-operative in both cooperation and competition and that's a very very hyper competitive market driven type of approach to national security he says that if we have the well then we can afford to be able to do regional type of national security not nation building nation state building but looking at controlling and at the same time if securing the peace in regions he's also looking at a group like growing korea which is beginning to get into the nuclear game and he needs to control that between china and russia so that's very very important for him to do that and that's going to cost money to the united states the united states is not going to be the indispensable nation as madeleine albright presented it's going to be a nation that is looking at regional strategies for its national and international
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security driven by a very very strong economic currency not only on the dollar now when we have a twenty four thousand plus market going to twenty five thousand by the end of this year but also look at new networks types of currencies in the big come market which is now pushing beyond twenty thousand we're changing how we do money but also we're also changing how we do the guns because ultimately. bulk of the present truck is the national security instrument and it's about the guns and money ok scott let's bring you back in all of his laid out an argument that he used and interesting with the co-op co-operative and i think it was is it more one all of the the other what do you make of that argument or again if you cut through all of his campaign rhetoric he proves my point cooperative competition was the exact phrase used by congolese arise back in two thousand and two thousand and one this idea that in a post cold war world we weren't necessarily you know always enemies of the
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russians or the chinese but we were going to be competing with them so there's nothing new there. what is different is what oliver is done is he's presented a campaign speech which is more about the u.s. economy and that's the idea of oh donald trump is the one who's going to preside over unparalleled economic economic growth the stock market's going to be wonderful we're going to have fantastic growth he's going to rescue infrastructure rescue jobs look we can use another program to talk about why a lot of that is smoke and mirrors but that's exactly what trump is playing with he's not as concerned ironically in this speech as much about the details of national security the ideas of marriage the trump russian investigation guys stick with me stick with the tax cuts even if they benefit the wealthiest of americans because this will make america great again all of our let you reply in a moment i just don't forget about indigent at this stage who we haven't heard from just another quote from president john speight referring to china saying that china seeks to challenge american influence values and wealth i mean that in itself is
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not actually that surprising and further to that if there is a challenge why. why run from i'm not saying don't i was running from it but why not meet it rather than retreat while i don't think the total trump the administration is retreating at all there's nothing isolationist about the national security strategy in fact it's a very kind of powerful thrust to continue a kind of broad post-war post cold war strategy over all that is a global regional strategy i think the key thing is that there seem to be two forces working within the national security strategy one is the old campaign rhetoric of make america great again america first and about anti immigration and so on but the second one is i think appears to be authored by somebody like general mcmaster which is basically the old the old strategy that the conservative nationalists of championed for a long time and that is the use of american strength in order to sort of maintain
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their vital interests and clearly china has been a competitor for some time there's also been a lot of cooperation with the united states for a long time i think the feeling is that the tramp is trying to differentiate himself very significantly from his predecessors and his the campaign style of the national security strategy suggests that but the underlying basic point being made and the only thing which is really different you could say is there's no mention of soft power very large amounts of hard power and i think that even if there's not much new there it's a little bit more kind of open than it has been in the past and i think that it could well be much more risky in regard to risking military confrontations are more frequently he's not isolationist he said in the strategy that nato is very important about maintaining you know kind of close control of russia the e.u. now suddenly is very important as well and he mentions of his friends and allies of australia new zealand japan south korea india now and the whole of the pacific
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areas called indicators in the pacific not asia perceive. anymore so there's nothing isolationist i think continuing the old american policy of let me jump in energy let me jump in because you've said many times there that he is not isolationist i want to put that argument to the test because many would believe that donald trump has isolated the u.s. since he's come to office i want to list off a few examples these are admittedly not the document that we're talking about but a widely you go back to the beginning of the year he pulled out of the twelve nation trans-pacific partnership because he said he wanted to quote protect american jobs on climate change which the obama administration considered one of the main dangers facing the u.s. donald trump dropped from the list of global threats he announced the u.s. would pull out of the paris climate accord syria yes there was the one and strike on a government air base but the united states has largely stayed out of the conflict and it was a gap which russia was happy to fill there and most recently of course donald trump's order to move the u.s. embassy in israel from tel aviv to jerusalem to recognized tourism as israel's
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capital condemned right around the world indrajit will stay with you and then come back to the others that sounds like isolation and no no you're pointing out that you feel the document doesn't but widely this is something which the president this is a road that he is taking the united states down i think what you can say is that he's got a more nuanced attitude towards the international system because of the hard core what he calls america's national vital interests so the climate change violates another key interest he considers to be vital which is corporate interests he has released and deregulated big corporations and climate change and those kind of regulations around environment were a key restraint as far as he could see so he's gone out of that and of course he's pulled out of it you know it's goes well but if you look at the other hard core how the military alliances he's now rediscovered that they are very very important so in that sort of the key infrastructure of the post warda he's not really
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fundamentally challenging it what he's saying is he wants to bend those institutions to america's will much more than they have. and and that doesn't seem any different to me from president obama or president bush or president clinton all of any other presidents before those they try to bend international system to their will and they go unilateral where they can't get it necessarily to their will i think president trump is effectively containing the other is that what he's doing as a solver and in the united states he's really looking to balance the efficiency with dignity dignity in how the united states defines itself as a regional power in the face of looking at china as a strong regional power and russia as a regional power and when you look at this truck and they have to compete in a very very fast faster fastest gave the economics is getting faster the it band spent in science and technology is getting even faster we're going we're looking at a quantum speed economy that has to match quantum physics in quantum thinking and
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it's technology and that is the quantum size of the supply side that it's approaching in the guns of the money this this particular strategy is very very innovative it is not a campaign speech because he's really trying to link economic security with national security and he's also looking at homeland security so that he continues to curate the nation borders as the solvent in the united states and if then he that message across europe to the queen to the. european nations that you have to secure your borders it order to secure your nation this is what breakfast was all about and all we're looking at right now is brecht's in america and this and this is exactly the way the future of foreign policy at this particular era is moving forward it's about dignity and efficiency and that is what i mean by the cooperate issued a cooperation and a global competition to compete in
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a very very fast international market as a currency for change we're. no longer in centralized central banking in ledgers we're now in network bank to distribute it to the centralized currencies and this is basically changing how we do the guns and money and that's what that national security strategy yesterday was all about ok bold is going to come back to that later on i do want to just pause for a second and think about russia we've talked about china already the kremlin has responded to the national security policy saying it cannot accept that it is treated as a threat this was from spokesman dmitri peskov the said quote the imperialist character of this document is obvious as is the refusal to renounce a uni polar world and insistent unwillingness disregard for a multipolar world we cannot agree with an attitude that sees our country as a threat to the united states scott lucas i think it was you who said this is said that doma trump is under
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a misconception i think it was that he is that will that president trump is his friend and yet there's a statement like that as well frenemies is this is this where we are with russia now where russia is is they're trying to exploit that schizophrenia that i talked about between the document and donald trump personally and that is the document and energy it's quite right here is trying to return to that idea of trying to confront russia not only politically militarily economically but in the cyberspace of the twenty first century and even talks about russia intervening in the two thousand and sixteen election which of course they did donald trump however and he said this again yesterday considers what a reputed to be a friend twice in the past week the kremlin in the white house to put up put up phone calls about putin and trump cooperating with each other so what the kremlin is trying to do is say no no no no donald we're working with you we know that you're innocent of any type of collusion with us last year don't worry about your
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national security advisers who may want to take a harder line you just keep counting. us is your body that's the way they'll try to play this in the next day or two and we have to see where this goes because again i repeat to trump didn't read this document for whatever you know all of us given it a gloss but trump just simply wanted to say make america great again i'm great for the economy he doesn't know the details the chinese will do the same thing but the way they'll try to exploit a difference between trump his advisors to try to work america we're going to see in other words a lot of maneuvering around this document in the next week or two so who do we listen to it in scott on the on the rusher issue at least on the u.s. side i think i've actually discussed this with you in a previous interview on al-jazeera news the idea of what trump says this is what's gotten what the administration says all the other people around him all the documents says what's going to be the official line on russia then almost every country every embassy every foreign office in the world will be asking that same
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question come along trying to get an answer and that is if you talk not just about russia but about china or about nato or the middle east do you rely on trump or his son in law jared cushion or or other white house advisers or do you rely on the pentagon of the state department in fact is right now is that the state department the pentagon national security council are trying to contain trump just don't do anything stupid don't threaten war with north korea as long as they can keep trump roped in they can then they can proceed but if he goes off the wall on social media or in a speech we're back to that question of uncertainty in our predictability whatever you have and suppose national security strategy. gentlemen i want to talk about legacy as well i know it's a very clichéd sort of term but every president's legacy does get discussed at some point indrajit if i start with you be it another three years from now if that's all donald trump has left in office or be yet another seven years which he could
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potentially have how difficult or how how how big an issue is it going to be to sort of if the next president wants to undo some of this because this source is major stuff and going back on agreements this is the ones i pointed out before which the u.s. had committed itself to i don't see a fundamental break with the past and i don't think therefore that the sort of nuances or small changes which president trump has trumpeted will necessarily be that difficult my big problem i think really is the degree to which the trumpet ministration with this greater level of militarism and greater level of hard economic power i think is going to make the world a bit more of a dangerous place and therefore effectively threaten peace i think that's the big thing and if if that sort of rhetoric and the policy behind it to increase military spending to put far more sort of military installations and boost the military as
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he says he says they should be military the u.s. military should overmatch any competitor such that the sons and daughters of america never have to have a fair fight with anyone if that carries on i think there is a threat to peace and i think that is the biggest problem that you cannot undo very easily at all and i think he's ramping up the military kind attentions much more than his predecessors but i think had hillary clinton won in twenty sixteen i'm not sure that she would have done anything very very differently maybe the rhetoric going to be different but i think the ramping up of miller american military power with the people are very critical of obama for i think that would have carried on. scott lucas. it is interesting and i've been interested to hear him repeatedly saying this that he doesn't feel all the things we're talking about are actually a major departure from previous u.s. policy if that's the case then we may be overstating all of this and
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again as i said when we come to legacy and all that maybe it isn't that much of a change now i have to disagree with my friend energy here i think in substance i agree with some of what he says and that is that the question of u.s. power whether it be military or economic or political that's an ongoing question but i think there's two major differences here one is is that the united states is in a much different position than it was ten twenty years ago it doesn't call the shots indeed i think in areas like the middle east the u.s. isn't even the central power in play might be or russia might be or iran might be in saudi arabia for example but here's the big distinction i would make and that is is that donald trump personally and he can take credit for this has really damaged american credibility in the eyes of so many people around the world he's damaged in part because of his policies and all of our actually was endorsing these earlier anti immigration policies the muslim ban for example he's damaged them through
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unpredictable statements chaotic statements threatening military action and it's no secret or it's no surprise that the national security strategy doesn't really we're talk about american soft power that much because donald trump has really torn apart that very important notion of soft power and here's the irony because trump is so unpredictable unreliable many other countries will use their soft power china russia brazil india south africa the european union to say you can't count on washington anymore you've got to look at us we've got to work together not with washington necessarily but despite washington because of that guy in the white house all over. at opposing ends of the spectrum. pretty much so where do you sit there on this argument i think this strategy like all donald trump strategy it's right now it's about moving america from bow use to storytelling and ultimately into wealth this is about democracy markets communication center acknowledging
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liberty efficiency communities and equality those are eight values that everyone can get behind and this is that karen thread that is going through the national security strategy going through the infrastructure policy strategy going through the economic policy strategy and ultimately the science of technology strategies you'll be see coming forward with donald trump if you've shape america's storytelling around its core values which is america first right now then that is a break from the past it's essentially basically moving away from necessarily joseph nye of harvard's hard power soft power and moving into a much higher level of thinking on looking at values historically why because if we don't tell our story across the world then how can we basically match up against the regional powers that are emerging that are cooperating and competing with us we
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have to be able to tell america story because dot at because ultimately reagan was the great communicator doesn't trump it's didn't the media innovator and so he has to use the new innovations the media to be able to tell those stories very all of the gay scout locusts and roll out of time but i thank you so much for your time thank you for joining us for inside story and as ever thank you for joining us as well you can see this program again any time by visiting a website at all to see or to calm you can head online for more discussion as well at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story on twitter as well join the conversation our handle is at a.j. inside story i'm at a.j. and the whole team here in doha thanks for joining us so you can see.
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